Saturday, October 5, 2019

Appeal to the Worst


In debates about worldviews, different people tend to frame those that rival theirs the most negative way possible. Atheists are probably familiar with hearing something like this given as a description of theirs: 

You were not created for any purpose. There is no meaning behind the fact that you exist. It was the result of blind, natural forces which cannot know or care about your life. When you die, it will be the end. Briefly, the memory of you and whatever achievements your life had may remain. Yet these will also cease to exist in time, until all is gone. It will as if you never even existed at all then. All that, in the span of a moment or less in cosmic time. While you live, it may seem as if your actions are free, but this is an illusion. You are no less the puppet of the natural forces than anything else. Morals too are only creations of the human mind, arbitrary and changeable. Indeed, ever changing. Whatever you do is judged only by other people. There is no ultimate judge that will hold anyone to account if they evade merely human justice. Do what you can manage to get away with, while still living. What else is there?

Yet in truth, an equally unpalatable description can be offered of theism (and sometimes is), such as: 

God made the universe according to his will. No drop of rain falls or bird flies but as he has it. Human beings are given free will, to choose either good or evil. Yet this is not the sole criteria for their salvation, but also worship of God. He who is all-knowing and all-powerful still requires praise by the creatures that in contrast to him are mere specks of dust. With his foresight, he knew which of them by circumstance as much as choice were doomed to Hell. He created them anyway though, knowing fell well this would be the vast majority. Their punishment is eternal, an endless torment of the soul. Many religions came and went, spreading beliefs that were false that led millions astray, as permitted by God. People are rebuked that a wholly loving being clearly made the world, filled with myriad torments for them while living, from diseases to earthquakes or floods that laid waste nations. All these of course will pale in comparison with the suffering that awaits most in the next life. The “good” meant by the word when applied to God has no bearing on that for humans, clearly, nor indeed anything living. Life feeds upon life, and all decays to death. Yet at least plants and animals simply die, with no further pain. For humans is reserved the most awful fate imaginable in the main, because they are corrupt as their creator knew they would be. When a flaw in design can be detected, look to the designer. Yet humanity was created sick, and commanded to be well.


A caricature can never be a substitute for addressing people's actual views.

2 comments:

  1. Hmm...as a devout Christian for 55 years, and as an individual who has dialogged with thousands of atheists, and studied atheism at a secular university with outspoken atheist and agnostic professors, etc. , it doesn't seem that your 2 caricatures are caricatures. On the contrary, many atheists and Christians actually hold even more negative views than that! As a Christian, the last straw for me came when our own church started teaching Matt Chandler's The Explicit Gospel, where he claims that every infant born is "essentially, evil," and the doctrines of T.U.L.I.P. and that God wills every evil act including murders and rapes:-( AND famous atheists, whose books I've read, claim that all humans are "puppets," all humans AREN'T morally responsible, not even murderers and rapists! That humans have no worth, that justice, equality, etc. are "myths," that morality is only personal preference and "subjective."
    Now, it is true, that NOT all atheists or all Christians agree with these typical views. I've met and dialogged with ones who don't subscribe to the usual views.

    I'm curious what you think is an accurate view of atheism and theism, particularly Christianity since you described one form of Christianity.

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    1. It's a caricature if used against people who don't hold those views. Obviously, there do exist some that fit (at least partly). There is no one view of atheism and theism, because people who hold those views disagree about many things. So aside from the most basic things (atheism is disbelief in God or gods, theism the opposite) it's pretty hard to say. Christianity would be even harder to define. Assuming that you mean on a larger scale, I don't think either of the views I've described is logically necessary to either. Yet even if I did, asserting the fact without evidence (which is what I've mostly seen) is pointless and just an insult. Or it becomes a strawman when the person doesn't actually hold the views asserted. I've seen that a lot as well, and been the recipient of both.

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